Digital video delivery is on the rise

There has been a trend over the last few years that we at Exit Row Productions have noticed.  Early in 2009, there was a drastic change in that our clients were asking for DVDs for distribution, but then switched and started requesting more web based formats for the delivery of their videos.  It was like all our our clients got a memo saying it was easier for them to go online than to worry about mailing out DVDs.  Perhaps they had been reading our newsletter and following our advice.  Now, we still handle DVD duplication and many of our clients still need this service.

The Digital Entertainment Group, recently released some stats that show physical media sales are dropping.  Which means DVDs are going the way of the 8-track and cassette tape.   Digital delivery is gaining in consumer confidence and comprehension as they understand the importance of this format and how taking one video and applying it across multiple platforms can save money and increase exposure.

According to The Digital Entertainment Group, “digital distribution was 13.%% of overall spending and consists of electronic sell-through (EST) and video-on-demand. EST was up 37% reaching $432M with VOD  jumping 20% and ending the nine-month period at $1.2B”.

Having high quality content in digital form is exciting for us at Exit Row Productions because we can make a video one time and deliver it across multiple platforms.  This means that your online video efforts are far more vital than in the past since everything online (especially video) is growing so rapidly.  In fact, we work with our clients after the video is made to help with distribution.  We offer our expertise on digital delivery through websites like YouTube and across multiple social media platforms for ultimate exposure.

Let us help you today with your video needs.  Whatever your distribution needs are, we can take your concept to completion and help you maximize the distribution of your video online.  Contact us today for more information about how we can help you.

Dayton Business Spotlight sharing feature

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Kroger TV hires Exit Row Productions for heavy work load

Kroger TV uses Exit Row Productions for editing workload

We all know Kroger as the best grocery store in town (and the country!) but did you know Kroger has a television department?  Each region has its own internal television department that handles training, promotions and news updates that is sent out to their employees each week.  They do an amazing job of speed and quality with all of the video projects that go through this studio on a weekly basis.

Because of the high work load in August and September, Kroger TV contacted Exit Row Productions to come into the studio in Cincinnati to work for 7 days on editing several video projects.  Last year Exit Row Productions also did some work with Kroger TV and they asked us back for more this year.  Projects ranged from promotional content to several training series that had a tight deadline that need to be started and completed.

The station manager had this to say about the services that Jeff Long provided while there.

I am grateful for Jeff’s help.  I really like the way he is able to pick up on a project and, from a mere description, take it through to completion.

If Kroger TV uses Exit Row Productions for their editing and video needs, than imagine how much we can help you.  Exit Row Productions specializes in taking projects from concept to completion and can also handle the distribution, social media marketing, and even website creation to display your new videos.  Give us a call to see how we can help you.


North American Mission Board chooses Exit Row Productions for new web campaign

Exit Row Productions travels to Virginia to film for a new website campaign

Earlier this summer, the Atlanta based North American Mission Board, contacted Exit Row Productions for a new website campaign they were starting.  They asked Exit Row Productions to create several videos for the upcoming Why Card website release and booked them to shoot the videos in Virginia.  The website chronicles the lives of 3 people sharing their stories about what their lives were like in college and how one relationship drastically changed their lives.  Each person’s story tells of the pain they held internally while trying to find meaning and how a new relationship changed their lives forever.  We talked with the Athlete, the Party Girl and the Drug Dealer.

Each video was shot on location at the university they attended in high quality High Definition at 1080p for maximum quality.  That way when it was put online the quality was kept but we were able to get it into a manageable file size for the end user.

North American Mission Board plan to roll this out nationwide soon and will also let churches and organizations around the world know of this website and and these stories.

Check out the website and watch each video to see what each person had to say.  Click here to view the website and videos.

Exit Row Productions video shoot with NAMB

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Check out the latest video from Atomic Interactive on DaytonBusinessSpotlight.com

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Great preso by @Forgeideas at the Thursday Morning Productivity Series.

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Doing a video at MLPC today. Look for
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50% of web traffic in US is from Video. Does your business need video? Give Exit Row Productions a call/DM. http://bit.ly/ds6NYk

Big news for Exit Row Productions in September

We are gearing up to provide Christian internet radio stations across the country with video ads.  This month is the testing phases and then it will be rolled out nation wide.  We are excited for this opportunity to help companies across the nation by getting their message across through video.

3 creative ways to use video for your website FAQ, Training, and Success Stories

A few months ago we gave 3 ways you can use video to help market, promote and inform your customers about your company. In this month’s newsletter, we’ll talk about 3 more.

1) Website FAQ

Do you get the same questions from customers? Do you have a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page on your website that gives answers to those questions? Think how much time and energy you could save if you pointed them to your website for questions. Think how personal it would be if you or one of your employees answered those questions personally on a video? Not many websites take advantage of this simple yet effective strategy. You could create graphics that demonstrate what you are talking about or it could be as simple as someone sitting at a table answering questions. Both can work and are each effective. Having a video FAQ would allow you to answer the question as well as let them see you interact on camera, which builds trust. No longer does your website seem cold and impersonal with mostly text on it but having a video will bridge the gap between the website visitor and your company.

This video FAQ was done using more graphics rather than having the owner be on camera. There are a multiple of ways to do video FAQ for your website.

Example:

2) Training Videos

How many times have you told someone to refer back to the owners manual? Some companies heavily rely on these manuals for training internally or for explaining their product. Or, how many new employees do you have to personally spend time with? What if you could boil most of your training down to a video for someone to watch? They could then fill out a survey to make sure they understand. Then you can review the material with them to make sure they understand. This could be internal or external training videos but most companies have some type of training for: new hires, safety, HR, procedural, policy, etc. In May, Exit Row Productions was hired to go to Texas and film a training series for some industrial machinery. The task of the project was putting the training manual into video format so people wouldn’t have to dig through the manual. For years, people would not be able to find the answers in the manual and would call the company for basic questions. This video drastically cut down on those simple customer calls. This video training also helped with the sales department because the video was also put on the companies website so potential customers could see how it worked and how it would benefit the customer to buy such a big piece of equipment.

Training doesn’t have to be limited to external customer training. Employee training is an important part of bringing a new employee up to speed or giving new skills to a current employee. Do you want to take the time to train every single time it’s needed or create a training video one time that can be used for years to come? Imagine how much time, productivity and money you will save by doing this!

Here is a video we did for a local chiropractor a few years ago. He wanted to train or inform potential clients about what he does and how his unique brand of chiropractic can help people.

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3) Video Success Stories

I’m sure you have plenty of success stories at your company. The could be how your company helped solve a problem with their products or services. It could also be how your customer service saved the day. Why not make these stories available on your website for all to see? Don’t you think you would gain more business if everyone could see how you fixed a problem for your customer and went out of your way to do it? Imagine the impact that this could have on gaining more customers.

Earlier this year we filmed several interviews for the Dayton YMCA (now called, the “Y”) about how their programs are helping people lose weight and feel better about themselves. These videos were shown to their donors and posted on their social media platforms. It was a simple way to show people that the YMCA is effective in helping families with their countless programs.


These are only 3 simple ways that you can utilize video in your business. Many times these videos can pay for themselves when you factor time saved in customer service calls, time and costs to train internally or externally, and customers gained through success stories. Give us a call and let us know how we can help you with these 3 ideas…or any other idea you may have to utilize video. We love what we do and love helping people succeed.


Perhaps you haven’t thought of using video in these 3 ways.  There are countless other ways you can use video in your business.  Exit Row Productions strives to be creative by staying on the forefront of video and how you can utilize it in your business.  Let us know how we can help.

Video pick of the month: Gmail introduces Priority Inbox
Do you use Gmail at work or home?  It’s the best e-mail platform and we prefer it a LOT better to Outlook or other email clients.  They just released a new service that should make your e-mail experience a lot easier.  Check out the video below!

Web Pick of the Month:   Slideshare.net
Slideshare allows you to upload and share your presentations.  It’s a great way to put presentations on your website as well as share it with those who want to keep learning after the presentation is made.  You choose the security of how people can view the presentation. There are free and paid options.  We use it and LOVE it!

What’s changing in online video?

Have you heard the news about YouTube and how it relates to your business?

Youtube is expanding the time limits from 10 minutes to 15 minutes!  Since YouTube is one of the top search engines (behind their parent company Google), it’s important to show your product, service, brand and company through this online video giant. Originally YouTube only allowed 10 minute videos to curb the amount of illegal postings of television shows and movies.  But the have advanced their technology to stamp out illegal video postings…which is good news for us since we now can post up to 15 minutes.

Having an extra 5 minutes enables you to post a presentation, interview, product demo or anything else that might have been constrained by 10 minutes.

Read more about this topic here:  http://bit.ly/brlXrH

In other news:

ComSccore released their report for online viewing in June 2010 and the numbers keep increasing.  Google and it’s websites (YouTube) account for a high majority of online video viewing.

Here is what the report stated on Google and it’s sites:

“Looking at the Google number it seems that YouTube pulls far more visitors that the search engine and other services combined. The Video Metrix showed that Google Sites had 144.5M unique visitors or roughly 80.8% of visitors to Google Sites.”

Read more about this article here: http://bit.ly/9jx6Bj

In more online video related news:

Video in e-commerce is definitely growing. According to report Forrester Research released in November last year, for the top 50 U.S. Internet Retail websites, the adoption online video grew by almost 400 percent last year alone.

What online video means for your business:

What all of these numbers mean is that you need to have video online.  Put it on your website, on YouTube, on the countless other video sharing websites.  It not only helps sell your product but it also helps you gain trust with your customers.  Since they can see you, your company and what you provide, they can see that you are a real company with real people.

Exit Row Productions can help guide you and your online video needs by creating a high quality video geared directly with the online community in mind.  We can also create a website for you to showcase your videos.  Give us a call today for more info:  937-673-8450

Using Video sitemaps

Do you use video sitemaps on your website?  For many people, I might as well have spoken in Greek.  Video sitemaps enable search engines like Google to find your video content.  Since Google owns  YouTube and puts such a high priority upon video, it’s important that you have at least one video on your website and also have a video sitemap within your website structure.  This will help people find your videos when searching on Google and YouTube.

Matt Cutts, Principal Engineer and head of Google’s web spam team recently spoke at a conference about this vary issue and said that Google is stepping up its efforts to index and show video content.

What does this mean for the average business?  Since the world is going online, and people would much rather watch a video than read text, you should probably have video on your website.  Also, you should talk to your web designer to see if you have a video sitemap on your website.  If your site is static or if you don’t have a blog attached to  your website, then you aren’t harassing the power of what Google like (fresh and relevant content).  Exit Row Productions can make a website for your business so you can post relevant content whenever you want, add your own audio or videos, embed videos (like we do here) and get noticed by Google, the world and your potential clients.  Go to the “Contact Us” page and drop us a line….we’d love to help!

3 ways to use video for your testimonials, presentations, and case studies

When people find out that we provide video, media and web services, they usually only have a small idea of what we do.  Yes, we strive to “bridge the gap between the corporate and creative mindsets” by making interesting and creative videos but we hate boring and outdated looking videos too!  Below are 3 ways your company can easily use video to market, promote, inform and advertise.  These will help you broaden the way you are able to communicate, market, promote and inform your clients and perspective clients.  The more you can help them, the more they will keep coming back…and video is a great way to accomplish that.

1)  Customer Testimonials
We’ve all heard for years that it’s important to get customer testimonials for our website and literature.  But have you thought about getting those same happy customers on video?  Many people overlook this key way for other people to brag about you and your company.  No one likes to hear you go on and on about your company, but it will do wonders if someone that has used your product or services can say those great things on a short video.  You can put this on your website, Youtube, business card DVDs, and more.  Make it once and reuse it throughout your marketing campaigns.

A)  Here is a television commercial we shot that highlighted happy customers of the Dayton YMCA.  Your video could be 2 minutes per person so they can each tell their story…or it could look something like this.


B)  This is more traditional customer testimonial:

2)  Presentations
We have found great success in giving presentations at various networking and industry meetings.  It’s a great way to inform others on the trends in media (let us know if you need someone to speak at your meeting). Over the last few presentations we’ve recorded and combined it with our Powerpoint slides.  Now we can put it on our website, Youtube and countless other websites.  Go ahead, go to our website and see what we’ve done.  It has been a great way to send people back to our site. I’ve told people who were interested in video, Twitter, web SEO, etc to, “go to our website and watch the presentations we’ve done to learn more”.  Another great reason to put your presentations into video format is to help with your SEO (Search Engine Optimization. aka getting ranked higher in Google).  Since Google loves fresh, new, relevant content and puts a huge priority on video, then having your presentations put to video will greatly help others find your company website…which means they now know who you are, what you provide and how you can help them.  This has been incredibly valuable for us.
See some examples here:  Click here to see some presentations we’ve recently done.

3)  Video Case Studies
I’m sure that you have success stories about how you and your company saved the day with your product, service or customer service.  Why not create a video case study that walks someone through your processes?  We’ve all seen this done on paper and it is an effective way to help a potential customer see what you provide, but having it on video will only enhance who you are and what you do.  It will allow you to shine through and stand out from your competition.
This is a GREAT video that not only shows you a simple case study but it also shows the power of the combination of video and YouTube. 


You may haven’t thought of using video in these 3 ways.  There are countless other ways you can use video in your business.  Exit Row Productions strives to be creative by staying on the forefront of video and how you can utilize it in your business.  Let us know how we can help.

Website of the month: Zoho.com

Zoho is all you need as a small business owner. It is email, hosting, reports, invoicing, planning, sharing all done on a cloud. So it is all hosted online, and can be streamlined for your business. You can use many of the services for free with less than 3 people.


Exit Row Speaking at the Thursday Morning Productivity Series: 5.20.10

Exit Row Productions as been asked to speak at the free, monthly gathering called, “The Thursday Morning Productivity Series”. We will be speaking about “5 resources to help you get more done…faster”.

Here are the details
Where:
We continue in our NEW LOCATION– Champps Restaurant
7880 Washington Village Drive
Centerville, OH, 45459
When:
Thursday, May 20, 2010
7:30AM to 8:30AM

I hope you can attend this seminar. The information you’ll hear is both free and practical. Come and join us as we learn how to laugh at this recession, and explore how to operate our businesses more effectively and profitably.

Please note our NEW LOCATION— Champps Restaurant, 7880 Washington Village Drive in Centerville.


 

Presentation: How to use Twitter for your business

TwitterWe were recently asked to speak at a networking event on the topic of Twitter and how it can be used for business.  During this presentation at Christian Marketplace Network, we went over the background of Twitter, how we use it and also how a company could use it to get involved locally, gain credibility and  generate leads.  Check out the slides or watch the video below to learn about Twitter usage for your business.

7 Ways video can generate leads

Exit Row was recently was asked to speak at the New Media Dayton (www.NewMediaDayton.com) event how video can help your business.  They are a group of web designers, media producers, marketers and social media experts.  Below is the slideshow that was presented during this hour long session.
View more presentations from Jeff.
7 Ways video can generate leads Part 1
7 Ways video can generate leads: Part 2
7 Ways video can generate leads: Part 3

Are Business Cards Dead?

Are Business Cards Dead?

It’s a question we should all think about. It used to be that you would get your business up and running and one of the first things that you would get is some business cards printed. Now, it is an important thing to have your contact information available to those who need it. However, maybe we should think through what they are contacting us for. What is it about our business that will “wow” them once they get a hold of us.
With all of the technologies available to us now it is important to stay focused. Just as common as a business card these days is a website. The same rules apply for your website as a business card. You see, we spend a lot of time chasing the things that, “we are supposed to do.” There is one thing in common behind all successful marketing campaigns…..something worth marketing.
We think because we lay down a business card, build a website, make a video, launch a campaign, or start a twitter account that we will get business. A good idea for every business would be to make sure that once people come to them, there is something to keep them there. A website is only as good as the company, product, or service behind it. The same is true for a business card.
At Exit Row Productions we feel that video is a powerful tool. It can be used in all of the aforementioned forms of marketing, yes, even in business cards. So the answer to the question is ….no. Business cards are not dead. No matter what form of media we use, whether it be print, video, or web, they all adhere to the same principle of only being as good as what’s behind it. So, we can get people to come check out your business, service, or product. Once they are there it is up to you to convince them to stay!

Video of the Month:

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Web Pick of the Month:

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If you have any questions about media and how to harness it for your business, then please contact us at aaron@exitrowproductions.com

Marketing through kindness

I thought of a crazy idea the other day while driving.

We’ve all seen people stranded on the side of the road. I’ve stopped to help a few but there are always time where I’d like to do more. What if a company made it their mission to help these people that are in trouble. Imagine, a company with vehicles that had their name plastered on the side of the van, that helped people on a regular basis? Wouldn’t that put a huge positive impression on both the person that was helped and all the passers by? Now, I know that this company couldn’t help everyone and maybe they started off just helping one person per week. Perhaps the owner would even get involved and pay the employee that stopped to help someone in need. I’m not talking a lot of money but enough to make it worth the employees time.

So, you have a boss who wants to help people and you have someone stranded that needs help. And even more, you have hundreds of passers by that notice the company van helping people.  By helping that person change a tire or take them to get gas, you will instill in people’s mind that you are there to help. And who do you think people will call when they need your service?  Would it be the company that helps people in their most vulnerable time, or a company that is selected at random from the phone book or online?

What a great way to help people while softly marketing to the masses.  It’s crazy but it just might work.

Kollin and Wilkins, P.L.L.

Here is an HD video we did for a law firm that wanted a clean and professional look. This was part of a 3 video series that will be on their website and Youtube.

What can you learn from our website?

What can you learn from our website?

We’ve been telling people for a while now that they need to have a website that has: rss feeds, social media integration, blogs, video content and visitor participation.  Having a “Web 2.0″ website is all about interacting with the visitors to your site.  This helps by getting people involved on your site and it also helps with your Google rankings.
We are proud to announce our new website that offers all of the features that we advise people to have on their site.  So why are these aspects necessary?
RSS
By having rss (Really Simple Syndcation), people can “subscribe” to your website and be alerted every time something new is posted.  This means that people don’t have to magically know when you have new content on your site.  No longer can a business survive by pasting their outdated brochure onto their website.  People don’t want to have to go to your site every day and rss lets them stay in touch with you as needed.
Social Media
Social Media is booming and isn’t going away.  Without getting into all the facts and details, we can just let you know that it’s important to have this integrated into your website.  Your website, blog and social media should be seamless and all be directed back to your site…so you can make money…which is why all of this is important.
Blogs
Many people think of 17 year old girls writing out their latest drama on their blog.  This thinking has changed drastically as most large corporations have blogs directly from their CEO.  Since people want to be involved with you by writing comments to your blog posts.  The most transparent and real you can be, the more people can trust you as a person.  As you know, people do business with people they know and trust.
Video
Video content is important to you for several reasons.  First, people like to watch a video about the services and products you offer rather than reading about it.  Whether you like it or not, people’s attention span is only getting shorter.  Secondly, having videos on your site helps your Google rankings.  Google loves video…which is why they bought YouTube a few years ago.  By having videos on YouTube AND your website will help tremendously in people finding your company.
Interaction
Making sure your website is “web 2.0″ compatible means that people can interact with you on your site.  People expect interaction and want to communicate with you through leaving comments, seeing your posts on social media outlets or reading your newsletter.  It’s the best way to build a community around your business.  Remember, people don’t want to be sold to every time you communicate with them.  Feel free to let them know you’re a normal person that loves what they do and that has a life outside work (you do have a life outside of your job, right?).

Having our new website let’s us easily integrate all of the aspects above, which lets us move on to other important things like: doing our jobs, creating incredible videos for our clients, and enjoying the life we each have outside of our fun, little video production company called, Exit Row Productions.  If you would like to learn more about getting a new website that has all of the features above, or if you want to create a video to put on your website and YouTube, then give us a call.  We’d love to help.

Video pick of the month:

“The State of the Internet”Where is the internet going? How do social media, video and business grow on the web?  Watch this video to find out.  This is a MUST WATCH!

Web Pick of the month:
Want to send large files up to 100mb for free?  www.YouSendIt.com is a great service that has free options as well as paid options to send large files.  We use it with our clients and we thought you would like this service too.

What was your favorite Super Bowl commercial?

The biggest sporting event in the world (or at least in the USA) happened yesterday.  With the Super Bowl, comes the commercials.  Many people watch just for the funny, creative and interesting ways to advertise.  You can see creativity at it’s best…and most expensive.  Check out this website for the commercials from the Super Bowl and tell us what your favorite commercial was.

click here for the commercials.

Pepsi No Longer a Super Bowl Party Jerk

Pepsi No Longer a Super Bowl Party Jerk

When asked why they watch the Super Bowl, most viewers would likely respond by saying, “the commercials”. And who can blame them? Advertisers are spending big bucks on high concept, high energy and high profile spots. The commercials are an event to themselves; certain to live on as water-cooler conversation topics for weeks after the big game.

But 2010′s ad lineup is missing one of its key starters; Pepsi. The soda giant has pulled the plug on all Super Bowl advertising in lieu of a different approach, one that has more of a lasting impact than that big screen TV that crushed Justin Timberlake in one of last year’s spots. Pepsi is banking on a secret formula of online, social-media charity-something Pepsi hopes will be a refreshing change for its fans.

Pepsi is calling it the Refresh Project and is asking fans to submit their ideas for funding consideration. The beverage king is giving away hundreds of thousands of dollars to deserving applicants who wish to better their sphere of influence and beyond. The site www.refresheverything.com details an example of a past award winner who turned inner-city LA students into published writers.

The interesting side effect of this marketing strategy is that numerous articles have been written and there is a buzz about Pepsi’s decision to take all of its Super Bowl spend and invest in an online, philanthropic  endeavor. Giving money away is great, but it’s not unique enough to merit an Exit Row newsletter. The big story here is that Pepsi is shifting the millions of dollars it would spend on a Super Bowl ad and putting it all in online efforts.

Pepsi has been doing Super Bowl commercials for the past twenty years, so this shift is a sign that the soda juggernaut is waking up and smelling the gigabits. With an overall $20 million dollar budget, there will likely be television spots to promote this initiative however these spots will certainly drive traffic to the www.refresheverything.com site.

Take a look at how your marketing and advertising budget is spent currently and throw out “the way we’ve always done it” mentality. In particular, investigate ways to harness the power that is the internet. Pepsi now has huge advantage here in that online media can be tagged and tracked, giving them measurable, key data to make informed choices about their products.

Make it your 2010 resolution to reinvent the way you reach your customers and let Exit Row guide you through the process.

Video of the Month:

Exit Row Speaking at 5 Seasons Business Networking Group

Exit Row Productions was asked to speak at the upcoming Business Networking Group on February 24th from 11:30am-1:00pm.  The event is free for the first 50 people that RSVP. Last month’s series was great (you missed out). It includes lunch ($10 if you aren’t the first 50 to RSVP).

We will be speaking on, “5 free resources to help you get more done…faster”.


To RSVP, e-mail: rpatel@fiveseasonssportsclub.com or call 937-848-9200

YouTube search amounts to nearly 30% of Google searches

YouTubeWhere do you go to find information about any range of topics?  If you’re like most people in the world, you go to Google.com.  Since 1996, people have been going to this website search for answers.  In fact, it begs the question, “where did we get our answers before Google?”.  And, 10 years later, Google bought YouTube, which means that all videos are cataloged by Google.

In December 2009, ComScore Search Rankings Report found that YouTube’s searches had grown 35% year over year.  ReelSEO.com stated, “YouTube not only had 50% more searches than Yahoo web search and 180% more searches than Bing, but the number of searches at the online video giant made up almost 28% of the total searches on Google sites for Dec. 2009.”  By these stats, you can see the importance that YouTube has gained in the marketplace.  It’s no longer the place where only teenagers put videos of themselves goofing off.  It’s now become a place that your business has to have a presence.  Once on YouTube, we can see who is watching your video, where in the world they are watching and even how old the viewer is.  This is why we stress having a website with analytics along with videos that can be tracked.

Does your company take advantage of the fact that people are searching video both on Google and YouTube?  Have you put a video on your website and YouTube?  If not, you might be missing about 30% of the market that is searching for you.

*Give us a call to see how we can put your current corporate video on YouTube and your website…or, if you don’t any updated videos, then we’d love to help you create one.  Remember, videos online can be tracked and come with stats…can your brochures do that?